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Curlyq
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07-10-2002
| Sunday, March 14, 2010 - 10:24 pm 
At the risk of causing further confusion, I noticed something weird when I re-watched Michael's last scene. Usually when Smokey shows up you hear the ticka-ticka noise first. And when the Others show up you'd often hear the whispers first. But when Christian appeared to Michael, we heard the whispers first. What does that mean?
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Monday, March 15, 2010 - 4:24 pm
Kitt, adding to what makes people think the island is in 2007, the kids look older, and the beach and DHARMA quarters look like the've been left for awhile.
Another theory about the timelines, is that both timelines could coexist, one in 2004 and the other in 2007, bc of the vast difference in how time works for each. The time difference would be beyond Daniel's experiments, especially after the bomb went off.
After the bomb reset the "whatever," the sidetimeline is back to normal, as are the people; and the island is just back, continuing on in it's own bubble of time, but the people on the island don't know of or are aware of any difference.
I think the timelines will sort of, but not actually, merge and only one will remain. And that means, the Losties on the island will have to die (or dissipate), in order for their sideselves to continue living--in walks (or subs) Widmore, to blow up the island (that's a guess, I don't know if that will happen).
Curly, I was thinking of Richard's intent, and a lot of what Richard said may be true, which is why he was so believable, but I think he led Jack to the "Black Rock" to give Jack the opportunity to save someone. Jacob needs Jack for something, so maybe he set this scenario up with Richard before he died.
Jack hasn't helped anyone in a long time; every time he tried to help, it went sour. Even before, but especially after Juliet, he was in bad shape, no one was following him, he was following; he was very despondent. So, I don't think Richard actually intended to kill himself, I think he wanted Jack to think he was, so Jack would "fix" the problem--looks like it worked, Jack seems to have his inner strength back now.
I don't think Richard is bad at this point, I think he got caught up in something the way Juliet did, when she was helping to hurt Jack.
Was that the scene with Sun, or when he was following Iliana, or something else? Sorry, I don't remember which one.
Jimmer, at Lostpedia, it says the pop-ups are not reviewed by Carlton and Damon anymore, so I don't think they have new information, plus their interpretation could be wrong. I still think it's fun to read though. Here's some info: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Enhanced
Sunshyne, aside from what other's said about the dead, I think (not sure) it was Iliana who was telling Sun that notLocke could transform himself into the likeness of someone who was dead (Christian, Alex, Locke, etc), but he can't do it anymore (forget why, maybe after the bomb).
We don't know what Claire and Sayid are "infected" with, just that Dogen said they are not in balance with their good and evil sides, they are tipping to evil, or will eventually; from the look of things, Claire seems to have tipped over.
I will definitely be sad and miss LOST when it ends. For me, it's such a fun puzzle to try and sort out. I hope we don't find anything out until the very last possible moment, and I also hope I got it all wrong.
Mimi, everything is speculation right now, even the idea that the flashsideways is what might have happened, it could also be happening at the same time. There is more details about the flashsideways at the following link, but why is up for grabs.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Flash-sideways_timeline
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Monday, March 15, 2010 - 5:42 pm
quote:Was that the scene with Sun, or when he was following Iliana, or something else? Sorry, I don't remember which one.
Not sure what you mean, Stormie. I don't think Richard was trying to help Jack help someone. That's how it worked out, but I don't think Richard intended for that to happen. I think he heard what Smokey had to say about there being candidates Jacob never told him about, and he didn't want to believe it. Then he ran to the temple and found all those dead bodies which left him feeling hopeless.
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Monday, March 15, 2010 - 6:44 pm
Curlyq Sunday, March 14, 2010
At the risk of causing further confusion, I noticed something weird when I re-watched Michael's last scene....What does that mean?
I wasn't sure what you were referring to in the above post.
You may be right, but I'm not convinced that what notLocke says is true, and that Richard's reaction was based on notLocke telling him about the candidates; he could have been more surprised about Iliana and her group, rather than what notLocke said. I think Richard has always known how important and special the Losties have been to Jacob, going back to him giving Lock James' folder, and even giving Ben the list with their names. However, if Richard didn't know, then maybe Jacob set the wheel in motion to get Jack and Richard in the "Black Rock," so that Jack could "rescue" Richard and feel empowered in doing so. I don't think it was a coincidence though.
A side thought, notLocke said to Richard 'nice to see you out of those chains,' I'm wondering now if notLocke knew Richard from the "Black Rock" (if Richard was chained in there), and left him chained up, or if notLocke meant that as a metaphor for Richard being chained to Jacob.
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Mimi
Member
04-30-2009
| Monday, March 15, 2010 - 8:39 pm
Thanks for that Stormie!
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 1:20 am
You're welcome Mimi 
I thought of another time theory, apologies in advance for any headaches 
What if there is only one timeline. In the 2004 sidetimeline, the Losties lives reset to 2004 and they are moving forward normally. In the 2007 timeline, the Losties are now their future selves. And unless Widmore gets rid of the island, or does whatever he plans to do from the sub, the crash will happen again, then he, Eloise, and whoever is helping them, will have to start all over again.
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 9:12 am
OK Stormie, now my head REALLY hurts.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 10:02 am
I have the same thoughts Stormie -- that something will happen between 2004 and 2007 that will bring them to the island. So in 2004 they didn't crash, but say in 2006, something will happen and bring them to their 2007 selves, which are now stranded on the island. That *could* make sense to me. However, I'm not sure 9 episodes is enough to get us there. So, I'm doubtful.
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Calamity
Member
10-18-2001
| Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 10:27 am
Maybe the sideways timeline and the Island timeline are to show that it's both chance and choice that create the Losties' destinies? So Jack, the man of science, and Locke, the man of faith, were each half-right. Fate and free will combined.
Or maybe not, lol.
 Make your own kind of music...
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 11:05 am
Stormie and Brenda - I've also thought of this - since we've been told that BOTH timelines are real, we could just be seeing 2004 and 2007 jumbled up, the same way the flashbacks and flash-forwards were presented.
Yes, this show can give you a headache!
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 11:59 am
information overload!!!
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 1:34 pm
That's why I'm just a'gonna sit on the couch with my imaginary bellini and enjoy the ride!
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Calamity
Member
10-18-2001
| Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 3:11 pm
That's a good idea, Rosem!
I'm a bit dizzy now, myself, Kitt & Roxip, lol. And I figure I'll have to go into either cyber-hibernation or be extra, extra, extra cautious the closer we get to the finale because, just as I was utterly surprised by the pilot episode, I'm hoping the finale will do the same.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 8:11 pm
Stormie, I was referring to the scene in the season 4 finale when Michael was keeping the explosives frozen for as long as he could. Right before the freighter exploded Michael got a visit from Christian Shepard. Christian told him something like "You can go now, Michael." It's been assumed that these apparitions of Christian were really Smokey, but right before Christian appeared in this scene, Michael heard the whispers (rather than the Smokey noise). Usually the whispers mean the Others are about to appear. So I was wondering if that was a production mistake, or a clue that the Christian apparition was someone other than Smokey.
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 2:09 am
Thanks Curly, I remember that scene now, it was very odd that that happened. I don't know if it was a production mistake, but bc I now wonder if both MIB and Jacob can transform into a dead person's image, maybe it was Jacob who looked like Christian, not MIB. And if Jacob can do that, maybe the sound of him approaching is different, a whisper, while MIB a roar.
Speaking of Michael, I still hope he's alive.
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 5:07 pm
What I don't get about Christian on the freighter business, is that if that was MiB appearing as Christian, how did he get off the island?
I thought he was 'trapped'?
Same with Jack seeing his father in the hospital that time when the smoke alarm was going off...if that was Smokey, how was he able to be there if he can't leave the island?
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 7:38 pm
Maybe Smokey and Jacob can appear to be whoever they want. Jacob had no problem getting off the island so those might have been him.
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 7:50 pm
Mamabatsy, yeah I thought of that too, BUT...we have never seen any evidence that Jacob appears as anything but Jacob.
They have set up the story that MiB is trapped...played it up, even.
If the writers suddenly let us in on Jacob also being able to appear as anyone....well, that's poor writing. They can't just spring this bit of information on us this late into the story...it would be...cheating!
I hope that the Christian apparition is explained in a reasonable way. Especially that Curly pointed out the lack of 'tick-tick-tick' sound on the freighter when Christian appeared. I feel like there's an explanation for this, whether we'll get it or not remains to be seen.
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Wednesday, March 24, 2010 - 2:31 am
Curly, after Richard's story, I think you were right about him when he was with Jack in the Black Rock. I now think he was going to kill himself bc he was disillusioned. And Jack listening to Richard's story, plus discovering Jacob's mirrors, made him realize Jacob was using them both. And it was Jack who chose to test fate, bc of his beliefs and his experiences. I still think Jacob set the ball in motion, though, or the choices to be made.
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Maplsyrp
Member
02-10-2009
| Wednesday, March 24, 2010 - 6:41 am
Titus Welliver plays a good bad guy.
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