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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 9:38 am 
I am SO ready for a Sawyer episode, Roxip.
I fear that he might be on MiB's side (who I now believe is the bad guy) - but knowing Sawyer's conning abilities, maybe he'll be a spy for the good guys. We need Kate, Sayid and Miles on the beach too.
Someone at Lostpedia posted how different "Dr. Linus" and last week's episode, "Sundown" was. They MIRRORED each other in the end, where last week UNLocke was gathering his army at night, and everyone was serious and deadly...whereas at the end of Dr. Linus, there was sunlight, old friends greeting each other, smiling, and Ben was helping Sun and taken into the group. Awesome observation!
That music gets me every time!
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 9:47 am
I fear Sayid and Claire are gone. Not sure about Kate. Sawyer is searching and I don't think he has made a decision yet. Jin.. Where the heck is Jin?
By the way.. Richard is gorgeous.
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 10:15 am
Ohhh, I agree about Richard, especially seeing him all vulnerable and scared (and suicidal...)
I would've loved to have 'comforted' him. Heee!
And yeah - Jin and Claire - are they with MiB, too, or are they coming over to the 'light' side?
I am going to be so very sad when Lost ends.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 10:26 am
I really love this show, and while I can't figure it out, it's fun to come here and read everyone's thoughts. You all have such great insight!
I was confused about one thing. The whole point of Ben taking the principal's job was that he had the goods on him. Rather than backing down when the principal said he would write a bad letter for Alex, why wouldn't Ben just say "fine. If you do that, I'll take your job AND ruin your life." It just seems like Ben was holding all the cards...
I wondered if Jacob wanted Jack to break the mirrors to try to prevent Widmore from reaching the island.
I liked that Ben was forgiven, but I still don't know if I trust him. It was kind of sad watching him stand by himself when the rest greeted Jack and company's arrival.
I am going to miss t his show too. I"m sure much of it goes over my head, but I like it a lot!
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Shelb724
Member
10-20-2002
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 10:39 am
My daughter called me from Boston last night (and i'm in Cleveland) so I had to talk to her--she called my at the very end. So Widmore was in the sub? Will that man never learn????
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 11:00 am
Last week (or the week before?? the one where unLocke went to the Temple) was Jin with the crowd, or did he stay at Claire's tent thing, or run away?
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 11:24 am
Jin was not there... we don't know where he went.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 11:45 am
Good! Thanks Terolyn. I like to think of him on the way to the beach to see Sun.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 11:56 am
Terolyn, I've loved Michael Emerson since way back when he played that serial killer on The Practice.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 12:34 pm
I was reading the recap on TWOP and although I do not know how accurate their recap is (since they tend to wander and get a little snarky) but this makes me believe that Jin might still be with Locke (referred to as "Fauck" in recap)...
Jungle: Outside the Temple grounds, the camera pans over the ash circle and then over to Faucke, as he convinces Claire to deliver a message to the Templars. She whines that he should send Jin or Sawyer, or go himself. Faucke says, "If I could do it myself, I wouldn't be asking you, Claire." Claire weighs his words for a moment, or perhaps she's just fighting off the urge to bring up Jin and Sawyer again. Finally, she says, "If I go in there, I need to know you'll do what you said. I want my son back." Faucke says, "I always do what I say." Oh Claire, considering your "friend" is probably the entity that wore the guise of your dead father in order to tempt you into abandoning Aaron in the jungle, in the first bloody place, I hope you paid particular attention to focking Faucke's focking phrasing. Call it a hunch if you must, but I'm thinking he's not above playing the That Depends On What Is Is card. Claire can't hear me through her wig of wingnuttery, so starts out on her mission, but soon turns back toward her friend. "Are you going to hurt them?" Faucke: "Only the ones who won't listen."
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 12:43 pm
Ben not only backed down to protect the girl, he negotiated to get a great letter for her. She said it was better than she ever expected (so we are to assume that his letter and pull at the university would be her ticket in). Also Ben got himself off of detention duty.
I don't think Ben held all the cards as the Principal held the card that could destroy that girls chances at Yale. If Ben told his wife, destroyed his reputation and took his job, the principal would surely ruin her chances at college any way he could.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 12:46 pm
I played the last bit on Hulu, and although Jin might be there, he wasn't visible in the group behind "Faucke" (lol) at the end or while they were walking. No Sawyer either.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 1:31 pm
Considering the condition of Jin's leg, I'm guessing he wasn't brought along to the Temple. He's probably still at Claire's lair.
How hilarious to read all of the Ben love today! What a difference an episode makes. I've always enjoyed Ben's delicious creepiness, but I'm glad he appears to have found a place now. It's funny how he kept lying right up until the last minute, though. That's so Ben. It was really fascinating. He could've just shot Ilana. He certainly seemed to light up at the idea of being left in charge of the island. Yet he chose people instead. Good for him.
Stormie, I'd been trying to figure out what Widmore's motive is and I think you may have hit it on the head. The idea of him working with Eloise to destroy the original timeline makes sense. I'm not sure Desmond would be in on it, but the rest adds up. Either that or they just really like Smokey and want to help him, which doesn't make sense if they were both working for Jacob at one time.
So are the six remaining candidates like Richard now? Will they stay the same age and not be able to kill themselves? That's a weird "gift." I mean, the not aging thing is cool but if you're still killable it would seem someone has overlooked something. How has Richard avoided being killed all this time? Is the rule that one candidate can't kill another? Is that the rule that kept Widmore and Ben from killing each other, and Jacob and Smokey from killing each other. Was that what that little boy meant? Since Richard didn't seem to know about the candidates, I guess he didn't know Jack was one of them.
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 1:39 pm
"Faucke" lol--what a riot.
I think the Principal might have given Alex a bad review if sideBen used the information on him or continued to threaten him with it, and I didn't think sideBen wanted to risk her future, so he chose to take the information out of the situation.
Last we saw James he was in the cave (I think), last we saw Jin he was tied up in Claire's "house" and notLocke seemed surprised to see him. I did forget that Claire wondered why Jin or James didn't go to the temple, but notLocke always lies to her, so he may have deceived her into believing they were with him (I'm hoping). I wondered why she didn't realize notLocke had lied to her about Aaron, when Kate told her she had him. Claire is just what Dogen said, 'a confused girl,' but also seems malleable to notLocke's will.
Added: I'm crossing my fingers that sideDesmond popped into the plane via timetravel, as I'm hoping he is working with sideDaniel. Current Desmond, I think you are right, is not involved, he's likely still in the hospital recovering. And you have a point about the killing, didn't the boy in the jungle say 'you were not supposed to kill him.' I guess notLocke found a way around the rules.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 2:00 pm
Wasn't it that Widmore and Ben couldn't kill each other as they were each other's anchor (like Desmond and Daniel)?
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 2:04 pm
I think I remember Widmore saying to Ben, "you can't kill me. You know the rules" when Ben went to Widmore's London flat, which is almost exactly the same thing the blonde kid said to NotLocke earlier this season.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 2:31 pm
So Richard can't die because Jacob touched him, and then presumably the dynamite didn't blow because Jack also can't die because Jacob touched him. But what about Locke and Sayid? Jacob touched both of them, and Locke is dead. Sayid was dead for two hours and now is somehow different, so we don't know if he's still the real Sayid or not.
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Punkaroo
Member
05-30-2006
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 2:33 pm
Maybe that is how the candidates are weeded out, some die, some don't, some go bad.
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 2:54 pm
I'm gonna miss this show... Even when it was bad it was good.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 2:58 pm
Maybe only Ben can kill people...LOL! After all, he killed both Locke and Jacob.
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 3:24 pm
If Jacob touches people and it prevents them from being killed, how come Jacob was able to be killed.
He can't give himself that gift?
Or maybe they can be killed if someone can manipulate someone else into doing the deed?
We really need to know for sure what this damn LOOPHOLE is!
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 5:39 pm
We haven't been told that they can't be killed. Just that they can't kill themselves. It's just pure speculation on my part that they can't kill each other, based on all the talk about the rules. But then, Ben did kill Locke so who knows? When Keamy killed Alex, Ben said that Widmore had changed the rules. So maybe the rules are more like a code of honor they're supposed to follow rather than rules as to how this "gift" works.
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 7:10 pm
Yep, I'm really confused about the killing rules. 
I'm enjoying the GJB podcast...so fun listening to Jorge and Michael talk about the script, and all the technical work that has to come together - just fascinating.
I did LOL at Jorge revealing that he sneaked 'vampire' into his line in the scene where he was asking Richard if he was a Cyborg...then threw in 'vampire?' HA! He said because vampires are very popular right now. Hee!
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Sia
Member
03-10-2002
| Thursday, March 11, 2010 - 7:45 am
It seems to me that characters on "Lost" die after they've achieved redemption. A couple of definitions for redemption are "atonement for guilt; deliverance from sin; salvation; rescue." With some of the characters, once he/she has learned his/her life lesson and atoned for his/her sins, he/she's done for.
Shannon was shallow and superficial; once she found true love (with Sayid) based on just his love for her rather than what he could do for her with money like her past lovers, she was killed by Ana Lucia.
It's hard to remember that far back, but I seem to remember that Eko had finally reconciled his brother's loss shortly before the smoke monster killed him. I seem to remember that the smoke monster judged Eko and found him unworthy. Any theories about this? Please correct any factual errors I've made here.
Ben has always thirsted for power, to be in control of the island. In the last episode he had the opportunity to have it for himself but seemingly turned it down; is he next on the list of victims?
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Thursday, March 11, 2010 - 9:12 am
Eko: "I ask for no forgiveness, Father (Smokie appearing as Yemi), for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive." AND (says to the Yemi-like figure): "I did not ask for the life I was given, but it was given nonetheless. And with it, I did my best."
So Eko did not achieve redemption, and the smoke monster killed him. So, I don't think it's redemption that gets them killed.
Still confused about the 'killing rules'!
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